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Astrology of Porn Stars | 3. Ilona Staller

In this, the third post of the series, I’m going to keep things a bit briefer, looking at a chart that possesses a large number of the factors seen in the other two posts and one that is something of a more exaggerated case.  I recommend that the reader check out the first two posts of the series in order to get a feel for the important factors and configurations before continuing.  The first post, which you can read by clicking here, introduced some of the basics and discussed Traci Lords.  The second post, which you can read by clicking here, pertained to ex-prostitute and all-around sex guru Annie Sprinkle.  While it can be hard to obtain accurate times for porn star birth data, the previous two posts did deal with AA-rated birth data, as will this one.  I’ll be discussing Ilona Staller, who in addition to being in porn has, like Sprinkle, positioned herself as an icon of lustful sexuality.

Ilona Staller

Ilona Staller

Ilona Staller is a Hungarian-born porn star who came to fame in Italian porno.  She also was able to get elected to Italian parliament where she is famous for doing things like delivering speeches with a breast out and offering to have sex with Saddam Hussein for peace in the Middle East.  She has also had a brief musical career of explicit pop songs about sexual matters.  More biographical information about her is available from her Wikipedia entry. She was born on November 26, 1951 at 5am in Budapest, Hungary, and this birth information is Rodden-rated AA for accuracy.

Ilona Staller’s birth chart is pictured.  As far as I can recall, hers is the only chart I’ve examined with all 7 planets in dark or “bad” places of the chart.  Not pictured in the chart are her Lot of the Sun (Spirit) at 0 Libra, Lot of Women’s Marriage at 14 Scorpio, and Lot of Venus (Eros) at 22 Libra.

Here are some of the indications that she has which have been discussed in previous posts (with a couple new ones at the end):

  • Identification with Venus shown by Venus connecting with many personal points.  Here the Ascendant is in the bound of Venus and Venus is a triplicity lord of the Ascendant, while the sect light (the Moon) is in the bound and sign of Venus with 3 other planets and the Lots of Spirit and Eros in that same domicile of Venus (Libra), as well as Venus ruling the Descendant/7th and the Node being in the bound and exaltation of Venus.  Additionally, Venus is co-present with the sect light and Ascendant lord, and regards every planet in the chart.  We get the sense that Venus is important in understanding this person’s character.
  • Venus is in a dark or “bad” place, one that doesn’t regard the Ascendant.  Venus in the 12th or 6th has been particularly associated with lustful longing by Masha’allah, particularly when under the regard of both Mars and Jupiter, as she is here.
  • Venus is with Mars, and generally afflicted.  Venus-Mars connections were said to increase sexual passions, and a connection with Mercury, which is also present, can possibly connect notoriety to these passions.  Eros is also conjunct Mars very closely in a sign of Venus and in a bad place.
  • Lustful signs prominent, particularly among personal points.  Venus, the sect light (Moon), Ascendant lord (Mars), Descendant, Saturn, Jupiter, the Node, Spirit, and Eros are all in lustful signs.
  • Venus in a place of her own rulership (i.e. a place of her “dignity”).  Here Venus is in her own domicile.  As discussed in the last couple posts, sex workers tend to have Venus in a place of her own rulership, which perhaps makes her pertain even more to the prototypical Venusian concerns of sexual procreation.
  • Venus involved in the Moon’s motion.  Here the Moon is separating from Venus and applying to Mercury.  Any lunar separation or application involving Venus can bring in sexual themes, but especially when the Moon is waxing or very full of light (Moon is waning and slight here).  Maternus did associate this Moon of little light moving from Venus to Mercury with indecencies and “those who maintain the management and provision of exotic pleasures and delights” (Book 4, Ch. 2, #2, Holden trans., 2011, p. 197).  It’s unclear to me whether he intended these exotic pleasures and delights to have a sexual connotation or not.  It is clear that the lunar separation provides yet another personal link to Venus, however.
  • Finally, there is an honorable mention worth looking at in the chart, concerning the fixed star Alphecca, the principal star of the constellation Coronae Borealis.  It is at about 11 Scorpio.  Maternus identified this constellation rising as particularly pertaining to Venusian matters, including lustful sexuality, adulteries, etc. (Book 8, Ch. 11, #1, Holden trans., 2011, p. 487).  With her Ascendant at 9 Scorpio, we would expect Alphecca to be very close to the horizon, emphasizing the rising of this constellation at her birth.

Conclusion

Again, we are seeing patterns emerge in the charts of porn stars and the sexually notorious.  Having looked at only 3 charts, it is far too early to tell what works best and which indications are more suggestive vs. which are more boldly indicative, and/or if a confluence of factors is necessary for strong indication.  We are starting to see the wisdom and experience behind some of the weird proclamations regarding licentious lust found in ancient astrological works.  When gathering together such statements we find ourselves with the most effective starting points for developing our own approaches to delineating very particular natal topics.

 

References

Maternus, J. F. (2011). Mathesis. (J. H. Holden, Trans.). American Federation of Astrologers.

Astrology of Porn Stars | 2. Annie Sprinkle

Annie Sprinkle

In the second post of this series, I’d like to look at the chart of Annie Sprinkle, who has been involved in the lustful side of sexuality in more ways than one can count, from being a prostitute (for two decades), stripper, porn star, porn producer, etc.  She has really done it all and has positioned herself center stage as an icon of licentiousness, a “sacred prostitute”. You can read more about her biographical details in her Wikipedia entry.

As in the look at Traci Lords, I will be pulling out some factors in the chart that pertain to signification of licentiousness.  As the series progresses we’ll see certain trends and confluences of factors appear repeatedly as a common theme.  The reader is urged to first read the last post on this topic before proceeding, as I discuss some of the basics and give some warnings appropriate to this type of work.

Annie Sprinkle was born Ellen Steinberg on July 23rd, 1954 at 11:34am in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.  Her birth information is Rodden-rated AA for accuracy and her natal chart is pictured here.

Annie Sprinkle Natal Chart

Not pictured in the chart are her Lot of the Sun (Spirit) at 28 degrees Sagittarius, Lot of Woman’s Marriage at 28 Scorpio, and Lot of Venus (Eros) at 20 Gemini.

Lustful Signs

The lustful signs are moderately represented, but some important points pertaining to self and relationships are in them.  The Sun, Moon, Ascendant, Descendant, and Node are in lustful signs.  The Moon seems particularly relevant in this sense as she is dispositor of many of the planets in the chart and is in a dark place while regarding most of the planets in the chart from the right side and opposition, including a superior trine to Venus and domination of the Sun.

Venus and Special Indications

Again, as in the chart of Traci Lords, we are dealing with a Libra rising chart, with Venus as Lord of the Ascendant and in a dark or “bad” place (i.e. one that doesn’t regard the Ascendant – 6th, 12th, 8th, and 2nd) while out of sect.  This identification with Venus and placement of Venus into a vulnerable place subject to corruption is noted by Masha’allah (On Nativities, Ch. 5, Dykes trans., 2008, p. 400) in relation to licentiousness (note: like most simple delineation statements, the following illustrates the principle with extremes rather than being a cookbook delineation, i.e. the principle is that Venus as lord of the Ascendant inclines to identification with Venusian things and that planets in bad places incline to the darker side of things while those in good places incline toward the more pleasant side of things):

If Venus were the Lady of the Ascendant, and in a good place, it designates him to be handsome and humble.  And if she were in a bad place, it designates he is hot [in desire] (and if were a woman, it designates her to be a prostitute).

Another passage by Masha’allah, but from the Book of Aristotle, and previously mentioned in the Traci Lords post, also holds in this chart, with Venus in the 12th, regarded by Mars and Jupiter:

Indeed for the appetite of longing and sexual impurity, consider the following.  For, Venus in a place of longing-namely the sixth or twelfth-under the regard of Jupiter and Mars, or if she would be lingering with the Lord of the Lot in the Midheaven, it defames the female spouse because of prostitution, hides an abortion, presents [her] for sale […]                (Masha’allah, Book of Aristotle, Dykes trans., 2009, Book III, Chapter 7, Section 8, p. 146)

Also, as in the chart of Traci Lords, we find that Annie Sprinkle’s Venus is in the bound of Venus.  While we may be tempted to draw some conclusions based on the position of Venus in her sign of fall, Virgo, as pertaining to ill-dignified Venusian behavior following the later medieval idea of “negative dignity” when a planet is in fall, this would lead us down the wrong path, as Venus is not only in her own bound here, but in her own bound and domicile in the chart of Traci Lords and in her exaltation in the chart of Jenna Jameson.  It may instead be the case that some deeper connection of Venus to prototypically Venusian matters of sexuality, as opposed to other manifestations of love and beauty, is important, and shown through Venus being in her own domicile, exaltation,  bound, or triplicity (but triplicity is more effective if first triplicity ruler, which Venus is here of Virgo by day).

In my own opinion, a form of rulership in its own place makes a planet more independent in action and less tied to other planets or encumbered by dependencies with them.  In that sense, a form of rulership in its own place can make a planet a little bit stronger, less restrained or forced to cooperate, but should never be interpreted as having effects that are in some sense more “dignified”, in the sense of admired, socially accepted, commended, honorable, or even as conferring greater success.  I’ve addressed this at length in prior posts on the issue, most succinctly in The Curious Case of Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Turner, contrasting Dahmer’s 4 very positively “dignified” (in domicile) planets with Turner’s 4 planets in detriment and fall with none in domicile or exaltation, to illustrate the absurdity of identifying a planet in a form of rulership with the degree to which a planet signifies dignified matters in the life.

There is a substantial connection between Venus and Mercury in the chart, which are in a partile sextile and have most of the important planets of the chart under their rulership.  For instance, the Ascendant and the Moon are in domiciles of Venus but bounds of Mercury, while Venus is in the domicile of Mercury but her own bound, Mercury is in the bound of Venus, the Lot of Venus (Eros – at 20GEM) is in the domicile of Mercury and bound of Venus, MC in the bound of Venus, five planets in water or earth signs where Venus is the first triplicity lord.  Mars is the only planet in a “stake” of the position of Venus (i.e. in the 1st, 4th, 7th, or 10th sign from Venus – in this case square to Venus), and given the strong interchange between Mercury, Venus, and personal signification, we get a sense both for the passionate sexuality of Mars-Venus and the strangeness, “talk”, and notoriety that Mercury can bring to the mix.  The chart doesn’t fulfill the following statement by Ptolemy but the strength of the ties Venus has to Mars and Mercury reflect it:

Therefore Venus, with Mars, produces merely amorous dispositions, but if Mercury is present, notoriety also…      (Ptolemy, Tetrabiblos, Book 4, Ch. 5, Robbins trans., 1940, p. 401)

Similarly, Rhetorius claimed, “Venus and Mercury and Mars aspecting each other will make lechers” (Compendium, Ch. 66, Holden trans., 2009, p. 121).  But this indication is so commonly occurring in natal charts as to be worthless predictively, beyond indicating the way that combinations of Venus, Mercury, and Mars can be indicative of mind/talk, passion, and sexuality getting mixed up in possibly scandalous ways.  With Venus in the 12th and all the back and forth between Mercury and Venus, we particularly get the sense of sex strongly on the mind and on the tongue.  Mercury in the 10th, strongly advancing on the MC, and strong due to stationing direct days prior to birth and being in phasis, along with being fortunate through being with Jupiter, all give strong indications of great career success through her words and mental personage.  She has indeed lectured on a wide variety of topics and claims to have a Ph.D. in human sexuality (I wasn’t able to confirm the validity of this claim).  In the following video she discusses her sexual history a bit and one gets a good sense of her style of sexual advocacy and openness.

Mercury in the bound of Venus is typically a good and pleasant thing, but it does associate Mercury with sexuality, and given that Venus is out of sect and in the 12th, the identification with Venus, and some of the other Mercury-Venus connections, we might expect that some of the more difficult indications of Mercury in the terms of Venus to come forth, as discussed by Julius Firmicus Maternus:

They will certainly be lustful in sexual intercourse, and those who corrupt the marriages of others with a depraved mental desire.  They will be full of moral faults, and those who are always battered with constant scandal because of these faults.    (Maternus, Mathesis, Book 5, Ch. 5, #6, Holden trans., 2011, p. 297)

With Venus moving more than twice as fast as Mercury at the time of birth, we may wonder whether the Moon is already invested in application to Venus in the chart, rather than Mercury at the time of birth.  Venus and Mercury are in partile sextile, and the Moon applies to both, to Venus with the stronger trine, but first to Mercury with the weaker sextile, so while technically the Moon is separating from Saturn and making her next application to Mercury, the application to Venus may be important as well.  I note this because Maternus noted the following among his indications for a waning Moon separating from Saturn and applying to Venus:

But if she was of little light, it denotes the depraved enticements of love affairs, or it makes [them] to be involved in impure and indecent passions, or it denotes disgraceful actions in continual succession.  (Maternus, Mathesis, Book 4, Ch. 3a, #7, Holden trans., 2011, p. 188)

This indication, like many above, bring out how many indications can be repeated when Venus has more malefic associations in the chart (such as Venus out of sect, in a dark place, and regarded by malefics and Mercury – in this case all three) and many important and personal factors connect with her by rulership, regard, and application, such as the Ascendant, Moon, strongest planet in the chart (Mercury in this case), and Descendant.

This chart and the chart of Traci Lords show a trend that we’ll continue to see, in which Venus in her own term, sign, exaltation, and/or triplicity is more likely to give indications directly pertaining to sexuality than a Venus that lacks such rulership in her own place.  I think there is a sense behind this in which Venus prototypically refers to the procreative nature, with her additional indications pertaining to beauty, art, and so forth being extensions of this.  Rulership in her own place could be said to increase her independence for better or worse, and strengthen her significations related to sex in the person’s life.

 

References

Bishr, S. ibn, & Masha’allah. (2008). Works of Sahl & Masha’allah. (B. N. Dykes, Trans.). Minneapolis, MN: The Cazimi Press.

Masha’allah, & al-Khayyat, A.  ’Ali. (2009). Persian Nativities I: Masha’allah and Abu  ’Ali. (B. N. Dykes, Trans.). Minneapolis, MN: The Cazimi Press.

Maternus, J. F. (2011). Mathesis. (J. H. Holden, Trans.). American Federation of Astrologers.

Ptolemy, C. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. (F. E. Robbins, Trans.). Cambridge, MA: Loeb Classical Library. Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/home.html

Rhetorius of Egypt, & Teucer of Babylon. (2009). Rhetorius the Egyptian. (J. H. Holden, Trans.). Tempe, AZ: American Federation of Astrologers.

Astrology of Porn Stars | 1. Traci Lords

There is no specific “porn star” astrological signature, but certain sets of factors show up repeatedly when it comes to adult film stars.  This thread may be offensive to some, but many others wonder if ancient astrology has anything to say when it comes to those who become socially prominent through notorious sexual behavior quite contrary to social norms, such as porn stars and prostitutes.

First off, I should mention that there is a lack of good birth data for porn stars.  Typically we have nothing other than a date and a location.  There are only a handful of porn stars for which we have accurate birth times.  Therefore, in this series I’ll probably oscillate between stars with good birth data, where we can dive into the charts more thoroughly, and those without a time, where we’ll stick to a more superficial analysis.

Another note: Don’t take the indications that I find in some porn star charts and start delineating your friends and loved ones as fornicators with wanton lust based on stray indications.  Really.  Don’t.  Accurate prediction can be done but it’s very difficult.  Venus with Mars in the same sign, for instance, is a common occurrence, and wouldn’t be enough to judge someone’s sexuality on.  Think of astrology as a language, with any set of factors potentially indicating a large variety of experiences, many of which all at once as potentials in someone’s life, some more than others due to repeat factors, and some that really don’t even pertain very strongly to the natives themselves, but may describe other people or circumstances in their lives.

I draw really heavily on Persian astrology in this analysis, except that I stick with the basic astrological principles and techniques established in the Hellenistic period whenever they’ve been changed, and I have my own preferences for what works best from practice.  The reader interested in Persian techniques concerning sexuality is urged to check out the Persian Nativities series translated by Ben Dykes.  It is a series which translates 5 huge and pivotal Persian works on natal astrology, dealing with delineation and prediction on all life topics, into a 3 volume set.  Additionally, a reader desiring a firm foundation in basic ancient astrology is directed to check out the Hellenistic astrology course run by Chris Brennan , as well as Introductions to Traditional Astrology (a set of translations on basic astrology by Ben Dykes).

Basic Factors

When delineating sexuality, points of personal importance, such as the Ascendant and its lords, are pivotal, while the single most important factor is Venus. Often, I’ll just focus on Venus, but I summarize some important factors below :

  • Venus: Classical planet with the strongest natural significations pertaining to love, beauty, marriage, and sexuality.
  • Eros (Lot of Venus): This is the classic Hellenistic lot for Venus, which is found by taking the arc from Spirit (Lot of the Sun) to Venus by day (Venus to Spirit by night) and projecting that from the Ascendant.
  • 7th Place: The 7th House, i.e. the 7th sign counted inclusively from the Ascendant, is the one that pertains to marriages, unions, and partnerships.  It also has some pertinence to sexuality.
  • (Possibly) Lot of Marriage: There are a few different lots of marriage in ancient astrological works, but the Persians seem to have preferred Saturn to Venus from Asc for men (by day, reversed by night) and Venus to Saturn from Asc for women (by day, reversed by night).  These lots were used in marriage delineation, and occasionally in delineation of sexuality.
  • (Possibly) 5th Place: The 5th House doesn’t seem to be used much in my sources, but many ancient astrologers did associate the 5th with love, romance, sexuality, and all things Venus – it was associated more with children than partnership though.

Traci Lords

Traci Lords has certainly faced many challenges related to sexuality in her life.  She was raped at 10, molested in her teens by a drug-dealer boyfriend of her mother’s. Her molester also got her into porn when she was just a teenager, with her illegally appearing in dozens of movies at 16 years of age.  She was eventually busted, but did a little more pornography when of age. Later she claimed that she was in porn solely for drugs (though this is disputed by some insiders).  She achieved stardom through her porn notoriety, but was able to transition in later years to acting for television and B movies.  You can read some biographical info about her at Wikipedia. Besides acting, she has been involved in the arts in other ways as well, including work in music.

I remember her as Wanda, in John Water’s 1990 film, Cry Baby (starring Johnny Depp).

Her chart is below, based on AA-rated birth data of May 7, 1968 at 5:19pm in Steubenville, OH.

Traci Lords Natal Chart (12th parts along outer edge)
Traci Lords Natal Chart (12th parts along outer edge)

 

Analysis

One of the first things we should note in the chart is that Venus rules the Ascending Sign, the 1st Place, Libra, and that Venus is in Taurus, another sign of Venus, and the bound of Venus, while the sect light, the Sun, is also in Taurus with Venus (and Moon, Descendant, Fortune, and Spirit are also in bounds of Venus).   We get the sense that there is a strong personal identification with Venus, and her natural significations of art, beauty, aesthetics, and sexuality.

For reference, the positions of the relative lots are Lot of Venus (Eros) at about 1 Virgo and the Lot of Marriage at 25 Virgo, both with the Moon in the 12th and ruled by Mercury, which is conjunct Mars within 3 degrees – though I will not analyze the lots in detail in this post.

Venus: she’s out of sect, in a dark place (8th) and a place that is particularly relevant in terms of fear and violation in power situations, while also with the out of sect malefic Mars.  From this we gather that this Venus can signify pretty far along malefic dimension, i.e. that the significations of Venus will often pertain to difficulties, challenges, adversity, and circumstances arising where there seems to be something of a disregard for the person’s well-being and peace of mind. Because Venus rules the Ascendant, she will also tend to direct the person, be representative of the person’s self-identification in some ways.

Lustful Signs: In a previous post I discussed the lustful signs.  They are abundantly represented in her chart.  Five of the seven planets and the Ascendant and Descendant are in lustful signs, and this includes Venus, the ruler of the Ascendant (again, Venus), ruler of Fortune and exalted ruler of the Ascendant (Saturn), and ruler of the Descendant (Mars).

Special Indications: There are many special indications or groups of indications in the chart that are discussed by various ancient authors in connection to controversy, adversity, and notoriety related to sexuality that are present in the chart.  The following are found in the chart of Traci Lords.

If Venus is in one of the signs of desire, which abound in lust (they are Aries, Capricorn, Pisces, and Taurus), and Venus is under the [Sun’s] rays with Saturn or Mars, then this indicates [something] like what I told you of the act of scandals […]             (Dorotheus, Pingree trans., 2005, Book II, Ch. 7, p. 206)

Masha’allah appears to associate the 12th and 6th places with being places of longing when Venus occupies one, and one may wonder if the 8th should also be included in this matter.  Interestingly, it is the regard of both Jupiter and Mars while Venus is in such a place that is mentioned:

Indeed for the appetite of longing and sexual impurity, consider the following.  For, Venus in a place of longing-namely the sixth or twelfth-under the regard of Jupiter and Mars, or if she would be lingering with the Lord of the Lot in the Midheaven, it defames the female spouse because of prostitution, hides an abortion, presents [her] for sale […]                (Masha’allah, Book of Aristotle, Dykes trans., 2009, Book III, Chapter 7, Section 8, p. 146)

Masha’allah also associated connections between Venus and Mars with increased sexual longing, as did Abu’Ali (among many others):

Moreover, Venus with Mars or in his bound, or under his regard from the opposition, advances sexual impurity and longing; indeed under a male birth it will be thus.             (Masha’allah, Book of Aristotle, Dykes trans., 2009, Book III, Chapter 7, Section 8, p. 146)

Venus, if she were joined to Mars or in his bad aspect, signifies the foulness of wantonness.         (Abu’Ali, On the Judgments of Nativities, Dykes trans., 2009, Ch. 26, p. 285)

Additionally, Masha’allah and Abu’Ali (among others) associated sexual indicators being oriental (i.e. rising before the Sun) as pertaining to more initiating and less restrained facets of Venus (the second passage appears to pertain to in a man’s chart in relation to delineating his love life in marriage):

Their orientality increases it greatly, on the contrary [their] occidentality restrains; but the regard of the Sun reveals sexual impurity.      (Masha’allah, Book of Aristotle, Dykes trans., 2009, Book III, Chapter 7, Section 8, p. 146)

And if Venus were oriental, it signifies the boldness of the woman over the man, with a multitude of love and joy.      (Abu’Ali, On the Judgments of Nativities, Dykes trans., 2009, Ch. 26, p. 286)

There are some additional passages in Masha’allah’s Book of Aristotle, and in other Hellenistic and Persian works, which I won’t be getting into.

Conclusion

As one can see the delineation of sexuality in ancient astrology involves a rich vocabulary, with the potential for very complex delineation, and that the primary stress was upon Venus, the natural significator of sexuality, rather than upon the accidental significations of a particular House of the chart.  The existing literature on sexuality addresses many facets of sexuality from compatibility to homosexuality, and from various types of sexual scandal to fidelity in marriage.  The rich set of factors in the traditional astrology, going beyond just “signs” to include, for example, Houses, planetary regards, side of the Sun (oriental/occidental), and Lots, has the capacity to bring much deeper levels of delineation, with existing literature serving as starting points for practical usage, rather than be-all-end-all dogmatic proclamations.

It is my hope that the reader will start looking at the chart from a different perspective, in ways ancient Hellenistic and Persian astrologers would view things, where natural significations, whole sign places, whole sign regards, orientality, sect, aversion to the Ascendant, and such things take on a great deal of meaning and reveal nuances of expression, leading us away from an overly Modern planet-in-sign approach or a stagnant late Traditionalist dignity-pointing approach to reading the chart.    Have fun!

References

Masha’allah, & al-Khayyat, A.  ’Ali. (2009). Persian Nativities I: Masha’allah and Abu  ’Ali. (B. N. Dykes, Trans.). Minneapolis, MN: The Cazimi Press.
Sidon, D. of. (2005). Carmen Astrologicum. (D. Pingree, Trans.). Abingdon, MD: Astrology Center of America.

Astrological Sign Classifications | 4. Lustful Signs

Scorpio often gets a bad rap in modern astrology for being particularly lustful.  To be fair, connections between Venus and Mars in ancient astrology were associated with abundant lust, so from Venus in a sign of Mars, such as Scorpio, a case might be made for an augmented sex drive.  However, it is worth noting that in Hellenistic astrology there was a particular set of signs identified as being more lustful than others, and Scorpio was not one of them.  In this post, I’ll be briefly discussing which signs these were and how they were used to indicate “wanton” or “deviant” sexual behavior.

The Lustful Signs

Aries, Taurus, and Capricorn appear consistently in the lists of such signs, and together with Pisces in the early list of Dorotheus (1st Century CE).  Leo pops up in the list of Rhetorius (6th-7th Century CE), as well as Libra noted to a lesser extent, due to its strong relationship with Capricorn. This is summarized in the table below, which also includes the list of al-Qabisi (the Persians appear to have been heavily influenced by Dorotheus and Rhetorius).

 

Usage

First, it should be noted that many ancient authors delineate sexuality and discuss wanton sexuality without any reference to this set of signs.  Even in those authors that use these signs, they are discussed among many other indicators.  In short, you cannot delineate the extent of a person’s lust or how wanton their sexual behavior is from placements in these signs alone.  However, these would be the signs that are traditionally more intense or at variance from the norm in their sexual expression.

The placement of Venus in one of these signs is particularly important.  Dorotheus looked specifically at the placement of Venus in one of these signs (as it would indicate scandal if she were also under the beams and with or dominated by malefics, i.e. a more lustful Venus + hidden + strongly influenced toward difficulties = sexual scandal).

Rhetorius gave two different lists of such signs but did not delineate their use at that place in his work.  In preceding chapters pertaining to lechery he seemed most interested in placements of the Ascendant and Venus though (in certain degrees and decans respectively).  In Chapter 116 on “Lechery”, Rhetorius did use the lecherous signs explicitly though.  He directed us to look at placement in such signs of the ruler of the Ascendant, ruler of the Lot of Fortune (Lot of the Moon), and ruler of the Lot of Daemon/Spirit (Lot of the Sun) – apparently all three in lecherous signs indicates a lecherous person.  In a sense this pertains to the rulers of the most personal point (the Ascendant) and the most personal Lots (those of the Lights), so we get the sense that Rhetorius finds it important when the person (personal points) is directed (ruler) toward signs indicative of lustful behavior.

Umar al-Tabari (8th Century CE) also used the signs abounding in lust in his discussion of sexuality (Three Books on Nativities, II, Ch. 5).  He seems to think Venus is important, personal significators are important, and points pertaining to relationships are all important in this.  For instance, he directed that if signs abounding in lust hold many of the following: Venus, the Sun, Lot of Marriage (Saturn to Venus from Asc for men, Venus to Saturn from Asc for women), many personal significators, and Lord of the 7th, then the person will be very sexually active and along particularly unsavory dimensions.